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Providers of Justice and Peace...

Looks like our rep just got royally fucked.

Disturbing images of what *OUR* "boys and girls" are accused of doing.

Was not the the 2nd answer to "Why we invaded Iraq?", to stop this sort of thing from happening.

Date: 2004-04-29 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
Could you please provide a warning next time you link to pictures that might provoke visceral reactions? I'm not bothered by it, but I know plenty of people in LJ land who are.

Date: 2004-04-29 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farvneho.livejournal.com
egad that's awful and disgusting.

blaming it on not being properly trained on prisoner treatment? what bullshit.

Date: 2004-04-29 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scendan.livejournal.com
Personally, I'm glad you linked to something with pictures. Because when we feel like we've been punched to the stomach by seeing them--WE SHOULD feel that way. And if we just read words, and the words don't hit us...then the real message never got there.

Not all of life is about feeling comfortable.

(And no offense to the person who made the comment wishing you'd posted a warning. I do understand that the pictures were very disturbing. I just feel they should be.)

And I just posted about this on my lj.

yeah, even i'm disturbed.

Date: 2004-04-29 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unsee1ie.livejournal.com
i knew that people could.. and i knew that i'm Really Incredibly Disgusted by image after image of sweaty angy yelling MALE fucks in the streets of anywhere dusty, running around raising hell, yelling and throwing things..
but why did i not think that people -WOULD-.

educated people who have had shoes and vaccinations and public education and clean water and who haven't had to sacrifice their..hm.. inner civilization due to lack of outer civilization, but.. there they are, on film.

-distracted suddenly non-sequitor: i propose a FURTHER edit above, there's no 'accused of doing', there is Caught On Film Showing Off Doing.

to anyone, have seen a couple comments, who is surprised that the US armed forces personnel are doing this (shock horror) - well.. shit fire jessie, do you suppose our PhD's and those endowed with higher education, peace activists and lovers-of-humanity are saying to themselves "Hm, sign up for the armed forces, get paid crap and go where they tell me, possibly shoot people, yeeeaah.. sounds like a great deal!"

no, rhetorical question answered, they're not. the poor, the scrappy, the 'gonna use this as a stepping stone', the need a break, the screwed up everything else, and the 'can't seem to land a job' are going to join (nothing wrong with needing a stepping stone, says the former soldiers wife and sister of a coast-guarder), but frankly, those who are inclined to sign away their lives to join A FIGHTING FORCE, knowing they may someday be involved in action.. you're just not going to get the 'cream of society' in the armed forces.

i'm still more 'shouldn't happen at all' than 'can't happen here', though, truth be told. why are people such SHITS?

Date: 2004-04-30 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bardling.livejournal.com
Oh... man... that's... disgusting. Thank you for pointing it out.

And the excuse of "not having been given procedures to follow"... is NO excuse at all! Anyone with a concience should not need to learn a "procedure" to know that *needlessly humiliating* prisoners is different from *keeping them detained*. Bah! Feh! Those smiles on the faces of the soldiers on those photos are stomach-turning & disgusting.
I bet they would not want to be treated that way if they were prisoners of war elsewhere.

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